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[Chris Wood]

Originally Posted by nogaromill998

Well if you arent racing this year none of this affects you anyway Chris. And if you can afford new tyres at every round, good luck to you, many cant.

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I thought this was a discussion forum, for like minded people to discuss options and ideas about DD, past, present, and future.

Pot and kettle maybe?

If I chose to afford new tyres that is my decision. I was sharing from my experience after 3 years in DD. The point I unsuccesfully made was that new tyres are better than older tyres, I'm sure touring tyres would last longer too, but I would'nt like to race on them. Tyre longevity with Pirelli is not an issue, many people run scrubs and A cast offs all season. I chose to be competitive, I chose to change tyres.

Thanks for your constuctive and supportive comments though, very welcoming.

[nogaromill998]

My point precisely Chris....you are in the minority of DD riders that can obviously afford new tyres each round and thats fine, but for the silent majority that cant, in the spirit of keeping costs down, a credible alternative should be available....thats my only point.....as for this being a forum to discuss ideas, well thats what I thought it was too, another reason why I fail to understand the vitriol aimed at this particular thought on tyres.

[skidlids]

A few years back when racing my Ex V&M CBR600 in both New Era's and North Glos's F600 class I made the mistake of trying the Bridgestone BT58s as my mate Chris Sherring rated them and I could get them cheaper than both the Dunlop D207GP and the Pirelli Dragon Corsa.
It took me a couple of Wednesday afternoons at Mallory to dial the bike in to try and suit them, but I just wasn't as comfortable or as fast as I had been on the Pirellis, so I reset the suspension etc back to where it had been bought another set of Dragon Corsas and had the bike back as I wanted it.
I had previously tried the D207GPs on my previous CBR600 and though they were a good tyre I went just as well on the Pirellis that were 2/3 the price of the Dunlops

Prices back then (1999) were £150 for Pr Dragon Corsa and £225 for Dunlop D207GPs

[Paul James]

Not wishing to get deeply involved in the semantics of tyre choice but perhaps useful for some new to DD to understand why we have a good, long standing relationship with Pirelli and Shell.

Since the club was formed both organisations have helped us considerably, not just with regard to DD, which is of course a key DSC deliverable amongst many others for the members but in general. These relationships didn't just happen, they are the result of ongoing work from the MT for the benefit of the membership.

Pirelli make some bang on tyres that overall have received great approval in DD, they have provided us with a letter of suitability, essential for us to be able to use them for racing.

I fail to understand why some seem to feel so negative to the simple ruling that the DD bikes run with a small number of stickers to show our appreciation of this?

There is no reason why we can't sensibly evaluate alternatives if this is done in a calm and rational manner but I'm not sure that has entirely been happening here. If somebody feels that a better tyre for the job exists it would appear that a tangible case for that should be put together backed up by evidence to support the claims made in favour of the alternative. Wild speculation over this is only going to cause disruption and cause concerns contrary to the best interests of the series.

Please don't read this and try to suggest I'm against open debate, on the contrary, constructive well reasoned dialogue is essential for progress to take place.

On another note: As DD is a DSC run event I can't quite understand why somebody appears to be offering prizes to riders but only if they are members of Ducatisti? Isn't that rather outside the spirit of the series? What is gained by making that distinction?

I have no issue whatsoever with Ducatisti, they have to my knowledge never done anything to undermine what we do so there is no reason to believe that the prize stipulation was driven by them.

As Chris Wood has mentioned; DD has been a real success although not without its problems along the way, having been involved in sorting those out in the past I can only hope that 2009 is a harmonious season for you all and that you get some great, safe racing.

Paul James

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by Paul James

On another note: As DD is a DSC run event I can't quite understand why somebody appears to be offering prizes to riders but only if they are members of Ducatisti? Isn't that rather outside the spirit of the series? What is gained by making that distinction?

I have no issue whatsoever with Ducatisti, they have to my knowledge never done anything to undermine what we do so there is no reason to believe that the prize stipulation was driven by them.



Paul James

The prize comment has confused me ?
A member of the forum donated some very nice cups for a few awards...
If you care to look you will see all the riders are DSC members!!!


I personally have increased the club funds by convincing freinds on the other
channel to race in DD and I will carry on to do this..........

BTW is it ok to have Ducatisti stickers on my DD bike

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

The prize comment has confused me ?
A member of the forum donated some very nice cups for a few awards...
If you care to look you will see all the riders are DSC members!!!


I personally have increased the club funds by convincing freinds on the other
channel to race in DD and I will carry on to do this..........

BTW is it ok to have Ducatisti stickers on my DD bike

I hope you didn't take this comment as "anti Ducatisti" I thought I'd made it quite clear that it wasn't. Apparently somebody was looking to provide brake discs as DD prizes but for some reason (which I am not aware of) stated that these would only be available to Ducatisti forum users riding in our series. It just seemed a bit odd?

There is no issue with people who wish to offer prizes or trophies providing that they observe the basic courtesy of ensuring that the RC of the series are aware of this so that details can be included in the information circulated to all entrants.

I am fully aware that all the riders are DSC members.

I can't see why you can't run your bike with Ducatisti stickers on it as long as the series stickers are also present.

Neither I or anybody else on the MT of the club have anything whatsoever against the Ducatisti organisation at the risk of sounding repetitive.

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by Paul James

I hope you didn't take this comment as "anti Ducatisti" I thought I'd made it quite clear that it wasn't. Apparently somebody was looking to provide brake discs as DD prizes but for some reason (which I am not aware of) stated that these would only be available to Ducatisti forum users riding in our series. It just seemed a bit odd?

There is no issue with people who wish to offer prizes or trophies providing that they observe the basic courtesy of ensuring that the RC of the series are aware of this so that details can be included in the information circulated to all entrants.

I am fully aware that all the riders are DSC members.

I can't see why you can't run your bike with Ducatisti stickers on it as long as the series stickers are also present.

Neither I or anybody else on the MT of the club have anything whatsoever against the Ducatisti organisation at the risk of sounding repetitive.

I'll let the Member who will be donating the disc's comment on that

and less of the eye rolling

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I'll let the Member who will be donating the disc's comment on that

and less of the eye rolling

Nothing wrong with a bit of eye rolling

I'll look forward to the comments

[nogaromill998]

Paul, before you quote inaccurately, perhaps you'd be better off asking that member directly what he ACTUALLY said...which was that the prize would be offered to ANYONE in DD, but it would be a discretionary prize aimed solely at real beginners in the sport...and since the majority of those these days seem to come via Ducatisti, it is likely that it would be a Ducatisti member that would gain that prize. But as you are well aware, all DD riders are DSC members, so no discrimination is being applied..whoever wins it will be a DSC member.

Originally Posted by Paul James

I hope you didn't take this comment as "anti Ducatisti" I thought I'd made it quite clear that it wasn't. Apparently somebody was looking to provide brake discs as DD prizes but for some reason (which I am not aware of) stated that these would only be available to Ducatisti forum users riding in our series. It just seemed a bit odd?

There is no issue with people who wish to offer prizes or trophies providing that they observe the basic courtesy of ensuring that the RC of the series are aware of this so that details can be included in the information circulated to all entrants.

I am fully aware that all the riders are DSC members.

I can't see why you can't run your bike with Ducatisti stickers on it as long as the series stickers are also present.

Neither I or anybody else on the MT of the club have anything whatsoever against the Ducatisti organisation at the risk of sounding repetitive.

[Paul James]

Originally Posted by nogaromill998

Paul, before you quote inaccurately, perhaps you'd be better off asking that member directly what he ACTUALLY said...which was that the prize would be offered to ANYONE in DD, but it would be a discretionary prize aimed solely at real beginners in the sport...and since the majority of those these days seem to come via Ducatisti, it is likely that it would be a Ducatisti member that would gain that prize. But as you are well aware, all DD riders are DSC members, so no discrimination is being applied..whoever wins it will be a DSC member.

I wasn't quoting anybody if you read my post, merely questioning something that I'd heard that sounded odd.

I'm sure the RC will sort it all out with whoever is putting the prizes forward so that all the riders can be properly informed.

You do seem frightfully keen on the capitals in your posts, are you a shouty type by nature?