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Old 30-Mar-2009, 21:31
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TWPD - I guess my main worry is running out of lean angle. I use all my tires on the road, have been known to scrape parts and carry a reasonable bit of corner speed too. If I want to go racing again (and I do!!) the only way I can up my corner speed is to use less lean anlge, and use my weight instead (so I'm told)

In the main that is correct. Run out of tyre and you will crash. However, if you have even the slightest bit of tyre left you will be amazed at how many extra degrees of lean you have left. 2-3mm of tyre might give you another 5-10 degrees of lean depending upon tyres, tyre pressures and the corner/camber.

I look at your photo and to my mind you're not really anywhere near using up all that tyre. If you look at the foto of me below you will see I am achieving very high lean angles, but typically when I check the tyres I still have a bit left so, clearly there's more lean angle to be had. I have only once run out of tyre that I can recall.

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I look at your positioning on the bike and you seem very stiff and set to me. Look at my arms and how they are bent compared to yours - yours are dead stiff and locked straight. At the risk of causing some offence, and I don't mean to, some of this is probably a result of your physique. That will dictate to you how to sit on the bike and until you change that physique it is going to be difficult to do much about your positioning or that way you clamber over the bike. By the same token tall blokes find it hard to tuck in, small blokes find it hard to keep a foot on the outside peg when cornering. Everyone's physique has a bearing on their positioning on the bike.

It's all very well someone telling you to hang off more, but if you can't for whatever reason then you are going to be forcing yourself to try to ride to a style that won't work for you.

You talk about upping corner speed - there's other aspects other than outright corner speed where you can gain time on the track.

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Old 30-Mar-2009, 21:36
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oooh if were willy waving.....

but on a serious note.............outside arm straight inner arm bent, could lower my head a bit more really, and if i had of would of been in elbow down territory, up on the inside toe so the foot doesnt touch.....gripping with the outer leg inner thigh.........all for the camera really!

most important bit is looking where i want to go.........and youll go there...
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oooh if were willy waving.....

I don't need to. I am faster than you. Period.
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I don't need to. I am faster than you. Period.

but not as pretty............or as safe....(refers to donny video!)
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Hey...I like to push to the limit. I get it wrong from time to time.
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Hey...I like to push to the limit. I get it wrong from time to time.

i couldnt afford to on me expensive bike...
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..anyway....let's not derails Bradders' thread...

You can teach people lines, braking points, bike setup etc. But I am a firm believer in figuring out the positioning thing for yourself. If you look at the top racers many of them have styles that are unique to themselves and which you won't find covered by a text book or riding class.
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during the race I was scraping the rear sets..then crashed twice! and remember they are diablos..

physique has a lot to do with it, no offence taken and I get plenty of stick for it! but I guess I want to do the best I can without crashing!

and as my new to me 848 will be my track tool, not a crashable race bike, I wanna get it right!!
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