Ducati Sporting Club UK > General > Idle Chat > The truth about Speeding Convictions

[Rushjob]

Errr, not quite Pete.
A lone officer may prosecute for speeding provided that there is some form of corroboration of the officer's opinion that the subject was driving in excess of the stated speed limit,that corroboration can be a laser, vascar, muniquip, truvelo, vehicle speedometer etc. There is no need for electronic or photographic proof although some of the systems in use will provide this.
Sorry if this doesn't help your case..........

[Glyn]

good on you for taking this on pete.
i did write a long reply but have just deleted it

[Fordie]

Originally Posted by Rushjob

Errr, not quite Pete.
A lone officer may prosecute for speeding provided that there is some form of corroboration of the officer's opinion that the subject was driving in excess of the stated speed limit,that corroboration can be a laser, vascar, muniquip, truvelo, vehicle speedometer etc. There is no need for electronic or photographic proof although some of the systems in use will provide this.
Sorry if this doesn't help your case..........

Rushjob I was not on the video, there is no corroboration, no evidence that I was even there.The other riders are shown but not me or my brother

Section 89 (2) Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984
A person prosecuted for such an act SHALL NOT be convicted solely on the evidence of one witness to the effect that,in the opinion of the witness the person prosececuted was driving the vehicle at a speed exceeding a specified limit.

No evidence no conviction, otherewise you can make it up as you go alone

That is from the House of Commons Library on Driving offences

[andyb]

If he measured your speed with his calibrated speedo on his bike then theres the corroboration...........the fact your not on video doing it is neither here or there....

ie. it wasnt just his opinion, it was verified by the speedo....

[Fordie]

Originally Posted by andyb

If he measured your speed with his calibrated speedo on his bike then theres the corroboration...........the fact your not on video doing it is neither here or there....

ie. it wasnt just his opinion, it was verified by the speedo....

Just read the post again Andy, it states a lone police officer cannot issue a prosecution with out have the appropriate collaboration. How the hell can he have the collaboration if I dont exist just cause his speedo reads 100 mph who is he convicting a bloody ghostrider.This ain't bloody rocket science to have collobaration you need two things some one following some one in front take away any one think and you end up with FA.
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN I WAS NOT ON THE VIDEO. again I WAS NOT ON THE VIDEO. MY SPEED DOES NOT COME INTO IT 4D

[andyb]

Originally Posted by Fordie

Just read the post again Andy, it states a lone police officer cannot issue a prosecution with out have the appropriate collaboration. How the hell can he have the collaboration if I dont exist just cause his speedo reads 100 mph who is he convicting a bloody ghostrider.This ain't bloody rocket science to have collobaration you need two things some one following some one in front take away any one think and you end up with FA.
I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN I WAS NOT ON THE VIDEO. again I WAS NOT ON THE VIDEO. MY SPEED DOES NOT COME INTO IT 4D

RTFI.....

its corroborate not collaborate........there is a massive difference!

One is how your thinking, working with someONE........the other is about subtantiating or supporting........

[Jools]

Originally Posted by andyb

ie. it wasnt just his opinion, it was verified by the speedo....

That fills me with confidence. A policeman can look at his own speedo to back up his own assertions.

So basically he can make it up as he goes along then?

[andyb]

Originally Posted by Jools

That fills me with confidence. A policeman can look at his own speedo to back up his own assertions.

So basically he can make it up as he goes along then?

Yep.............or of course he could be telling the truth .......

i havnt seen the video but those on the video were speeding........do we accept that? If so where were you Pete during this incident?........as i understand it, towards the front of the group that you were all riding in?

Is it fair game to make an assumption that if the group on the video were speeding, and they didnt overtake you, then you were exceeding the speed limit too. Given the close proximety you were riding in as a group?

Or we could just all shout about it, write to the MP the Chief Constable, the Queen or whoever will listen.............and of course Dis the lying scumbag..

We can ignore the facts...........but they are still the facts...

[Fordie]

Originally Posted by andyb

Yep.............or of course he could be telling the truth .......

i havnt seen the video but those on the video were speeding........do we accept that? If so where were you Pete during this incident?........as i understand it, towards the front of the group that you were all riding in?

Is it fair game to make an assumption that if the group on the video were speeding, and they didnt overtake you, then you were exceeding the speed limit too. Given the close proximety you were riding in as a group?

Or we could just all shout about it, write to the MP the Chief Constable, the Queen or whoever will listen.............and of course Dis the lying scumbag..

We can ignore the facts...........but they are still the facts...

Excuse me, we are talking about the Laws relating to a Speeding conviction nothing is fair game and assumptions mean nothing in a court of law.I could of assumed the copper was eating a Mars Bar or Chewing on a toffee but that does'nt help. All I am stating is the fact no evidence is available of me actually being there.All the assumptions don't mean a fig. I could of set off earlier and the other riders caught me up,what if I had caught some other rider up just before I was pulled over who's to say he was'nt speeding,it beggars belief.4D

[andyb]

"Sods Law after 7 years of riding the 660 and thousands of care free miles Mr Plod has the last word. Must say we were all treated well and friendly enough. Having pulled in to the garage in Kimbolton the boys in blue had us lined up good and proper, waited till we venture out on to the 660 before tailing us for 6 miles,as Glyn stated we were not giving it that many berries. I entered the next village an dropped my speed to 35 in a 40 by that time, said officer shot passed the lot of us with some nice little blue lights blazing and done us."


OK then..............