Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > New regs for 2010

[chris.p]

Originally Posted by Ghost

We are approaching the last races at Cadwell for 2009. I believe within the DD community that races, not the ones that don't have their backside in the saddle going through paddock hill.

We need to start brainstorming tyres and allowances/acceptances throughout the machine.

These bikes are knocking on in years and parts are drying up which makes parts that are available costly and then bidding against racer. There can only be one winner.

So at this early juncture I feel the technically minded amongst us and the not so who might have a thought and not know how to phrase it.

We ought to add to this thread the way forward, ZR tyres etc more choice of vendors. We all know its not Pirelli making us use HR. But there are a host of other issues so lets collate them and get them in the mixing pot early, instead of 2 weeks before next season race start.

Good idea on the technical side, think Skids may be covering off most of that side, as for the tyres, that is a bit of a sticky problem(no pun intended)
the biggest problem there is having a tyre that is both good in the dry and be able to be used in the wet, but this being the biggest problem, we have to have a letter of suitability from the manufacturer.
I am not sure what the state of play on tyres for next season is, drop a pm to Gordon Parkeras he id the DD MT member.

One thing to remember when voicing ideas for DD is that the "B" is entry level/cheap racing.


Chris

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by chris.p

Good idea on the technical side, think Skids may be covering off most of that side, as for the tyres, that is a bit of a sticky problem(no pun intended)
the biggest problem there is having a tyre that is both good in the dry and be able to be used in the wet, but this being the biggest problem, we have to have a letter of suitability from the manufacturer.
I am not sure what the state of play on tyres for next season is, drop a pm to Gordon Parkeras he id the DD MT member.

One thing to remember when voicing ideas for DD is that the "B" is entry level/cheap racing.


Chris

We keep hearing of this letter, has anyone actually seen it?
Scan it and show it to the members.

[Murray Mint]

Originally Posted by Ghost

We keep hearing of this letter, has anyone actually seen it?
Scan it and show it to the members.

You know I never thought of that and a very good idea.

[skidlids]

Come October the 5th the day after the last race of the season start sending in your ideas there is a 4 week window to send ideas /proposals/etc to desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com, these will automatically go to the members of the RC including the Riders reps. These ideas will then be looked at and worthwhile ones followed up on.

Last year I sent in loads of suggestions with my reasons and information to suoport them, many of which were taken up.

One of my views is if you can't Police it the rule can prove to be worthless
Issues on the table for next years rule book should include among them

Tyres
Class B pistons
Class B ignition modules
Rider eligability for each class
Reinstating the rule allowing the use of Carburetors on Class A bikes

If you think a rule is unfair/incorrect please let us know and it can be looked at

2.1.9 Changes to these Rules

It is the intention that the rules should be fixed no later than the 1st of March each year.

All riders are to be given the opportunity to input to the following seasons rules, after the finish of the last race of the year and the 5th of November of that year.

[Andy C]

Rules should be sorted out by Christmas at the latest. Sending out the regs by March is not the way to go about things. Why is it all other race series know excatly the rules for the following season, well in advance of the season actually starting.
Rant over, I'll get my coat.

QUOTE=skidlids]Come October the 5th the day after the last race of the season start sending in your ideas there is a 4 week window to send ideas /proposals/etc to desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com, these will automatically go to the members of the RC including the Riders reps. These ideas will then be looked at and worthwhile ones followed up on.

Last year I sent in loads of suggestions with my reasons and information to suoport them, many of which were taken up.

One of my views is if you can't Police it the rule can prove to be worthless
Issues on the table for next years rule book should include among them

Tyres
Class B pistons
Class B ignition modules
Rider eligability for each class
Reinstating the rule allowing the use of Carburetors on Class A bikes

If you think a rule is unfair/incorrect please let us know and it can be looked at

2.1.9 Changes to these Rules

It is the intention that the rules should be fixed no later than the 1st of March each year.

All riders are to be given the opportunity to input to the following seasons rules, after the finish of the last race of the year and the 5th of November of that year.[/quote]

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Andy C

Rules should be sorted out by Christmas at the latest. Sending out the regs by March is not the way to go about things. Why is it all other race series know excatly the rules for the following season, well in advance of the season actually starting.
Rant over, I'll get my coat.

Here are some of the dates of last years process

Version 1 First draft 22/10/08
version 2 second go 3/11/08
Version 3 Third attempt 25/11/08
Version 3.1 5/12/08
Version 3.2 19/12/08

The reason for the March date is that the DD rule book also incorporates rules from the ACU handbook and this is not issued until Feb/March time
Ideally next years versions will cut these out, such things as number and background sizes and Noise limits
The Phase "to comply with current ACU regulations" should surfice

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Here are some of the dates of last years process

Version 1 First draft 22/10/08
version 2 second go 3/11/08
Version 3 Third attempt 25/11/08
Version 3.1 5/12/08
Version 3.2 19/12/08

The reason for the March date is that the DD rule book also incorporates rules from the ACU handbook and this is not issued until Feb/March time
Ideally next years versions will cut these out, such things as number and background sizes and Noise limits
The Phase "to comply with current ACU regulations" should surfice

Kev,

No reason why those dates aren't achievable.

Chris

[antonye]

From reading on the boards, it seems that the issue of CDI boxes (specifically the status of the Ducati Performance CDI units) needs to be addressed.

Given that the series aim is to keep it as cheap as possible and the cost of those things, I personally think they should be specifically excluded and locked to the standard part specified by oem part number.

If people are already running them then there looks like a buoyant market for them on ebay, so selling them on and replacing with standard units shouldn't be a problem?

My worry is that if this rule is left untouched or removed (ie, not made more specific) then it could open things up to custom CDI boxes and more expense - and that's the preserve of the Class A bikes!

Does that seem sensible?

I agree with Kev and Chris that the rule changes MUST be released as soon as possible. There's no reason why we can't have a review of the rules for this year and any problems with them that have arisen over this season and make some suggested amendments before the end of Oct as suggested. This gives time to discuss/vote/whatever before locking down early in the new year. Any changes that come out of the ACU rules are not going to be specific enough to warrant any kind of major headaches with either Class A or B.

[Andy C]

So the question is, does anything need changing? In my view no! Tyres seem to be a problem but i'm sure a phone call made by the right person would sort that. The RC could then issue a set of rules and all entrants must also abide with the ACU rules. Can't see a problem. If you don't like em, don't race in that series! But i forgot we've then gotta spend the next 5 months arguing about wether the tyres are any good, blah blah blah. Someone make the rules, lets build our bikes to them and go and race! And it could all be sorted by Christmas!

Originally Posted by skidlids

Here are some of the dates of last years process

Version 1 First draft 22/10/08
version 2 second go 3/11/08
Version 3 Third attempt 25/11/08
Version 3.1 5/12/08
Version 3.2 19/12/08

The reason for the March date is that the DD rule book also incorporates rules from the ACU handbook and this is not issued until Feb/March time
Ideally next years versions will cut these out, such things as number and background sizes and Noise limits
The Phase "to comply with current ACU regulations" should surfice

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Andy C

So the question is, does anything need changing? In my view no! Tyres seem to be a problem but i'm sure a phone call made by the right person would sort that. The RC could then issue a set of rules and all entrants must also abide with the ACU rules. Can't see a problem. If you don't like em, don't race in that series! But i forgot we've then gotta spend the next 5 months arguing about wether the tyres are any good, blah blah blah. Someone make the rules, lets build our bikes to them and go and race! And it could all be sorted by Christmas!

Andy the problem with the tyres is the availability, one company appears to have the monopoly on supply.

Lets go ZR and they are available from anywhere.