Ducati Sporting Club UK > DesmoDue Race Series > DesmoDue - General Questions and Chat > New regs for 2010

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by injected

Hear, hear. One vote here for keeping Class B changes to an absolute minimum in the interests of existing riders not wanting to spend ££ over the winter to remain competitive. Maybe, to help with purchase and investment decisions, the rules could include a future year when it is envisgaed that Class B in its present form will cease to exist and be replaced by a new Class using 620's or whatever. Unless several years notice are given, it will never be the right time to introduce significant change.

Oh, and I like the current tyres...

Well put sir!

Always open to suggestions, but I would think that there is not a lot that needs doing to the Current Class B rules for 2010.

The question of how long these bikes can be kept on track is an interesting one. From memory I think we have had only 1 engine blow up since the start of the series - they are in that low level of tune that they are not stressed.

Perhaps it may be an idea to say that the existing 583 bikes will be raced for 2010/2011 and then retired - but all concerned would have to realise that at the end of 2011 the bikes would probably be worthless.

If in 2011/2012 there was a move to make Class A the new novice class - then in theory we would need to look at Class C. This has been mooted before and the obvious choice might be to introduce the 696 Monster as the class machine. With them having been on the market for a couple of years there should be a supply of 2nd hand machines at reasonable cost and people can have time to buy and prep them.

I rode one at Cadwell on the trackday and it was a super machine and in fact more fun than the 1100S.

Anyway suggestions greatfully received and will be reviewed after the last race.

[Chaz]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

Well put sir!

Always open to suggestions, but I would think that there is not a lot that needs doing to the Current Class B rules for 2010.

The question of how long these bikes can be kept on track is an interesting one. From memory I think we have had only 1 engine blow up since the start of the series - they are in that low level of tune that they are not stressed.

Perhaps it may be an idea to say that the existing 583 bikes will be raced for 2010/2011 and then retired - but all concerned would have to realise that at the end of 2011 the bikes would probably be worthless.

If in 2011/2012 there was a move to make Class A the new novice class - then in theory we would need to look at Class C. This has been mooted before and the obvious choice might be to introduce the 696 Monster as the class machine. With them having been on the market for a couple of years there should be a supply of 2nd hand machines at reasonable cost and people can have time to buy and prep them.

I rode one at Cadwell on the trackday and it was a super machine and in fact more fun than the 1100S.

Anyway suggestions greatfully received and will be reviewed after the last race.

I think you are a bit out of touch with engine blow ups Chris! Sam west has blown at least 2 & a couple of 620 have let go, having said that in general they are very reliable.

No reason why they shouldn't be still racing in fifty years time plenty of bikes that age still on track that are no were near as good as our little Desmos.

[MLC Racing]

Originally Posted by Chaz

I think you are a bit out of touch with engine blow ups Chris! Sam west has blown at least 2 & a couple of 620 have let go, having said that in general they are very reliable.

No reason why they shouldn't be still racing in fifty years time plenty of bikes that age still on track that are no were near as good as our little Desmos.

If the cause of the engine failures was due to over-revving then perhaps excluding non-original ignition boxes might help engine life.

It appears to me that at the moment Class B is more buoyant than Class A and that perhaps a phasing out of the current class A bikes for a new formula may be the way forward.

Given the success of standard Class B engines of whatever age, would a 900ss class with no mods other than cans and suspension give the more commited racers a class with the 'prestige' and performance they need without loosing the DD character. Keeping mods to a minimum would also keep the budget racing tag.
I'm not an expert but need 900ss's be more expensive to maintain than 600ss's.

I can see the 696 Monster as the alternative to this but initial outlay may still be prohibitive whilst 900ss's seem to be fairly cheap and easy to come by.

At one time on this forum a std. 748 class was muted as a possibility also!

[Ray]

Originally Posted by MLC Racing

At one time on this forum a std. 748 class was muted as a possibility also!

Purely from a spectators point of view that would look good IMHO.

Foggie lookie likies V Corser V Chili V Whitham V Reynolds V Mackenzie V Xaus V Casoli V Easton V Bostrom V Hodgeson V Toseland V Walker V Emmet V Hislop V Bayliss.....

aaahhh the nostalgia

Good many bikes about at a reasonable price.

Ray

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by MLC Racing

I can see the 696 Monster as the alternative to this but initial outlay may still be prohibitive whilst 900ss's seem to be fairly cheap and easy to come by.

At one time on this forum a std. 748 class was muted as a possibility also!

In part I was suggesting the 696 from the point of view that it is a current bike, as the 620 was when we started 5 years ago!

The 900s haven't been in production from proabaly 6/7 years now and I dont know what parts supply is like. What we do have is a question of power in that my old one was good for 75bhp on the road, probably more on the track. I think that Pirelli would be looking at Diablo 3s and wets for that sort of power - big increase in cost, etc. Also what happens when it is ****ing down and someone trys to go out on Diablo 3s - that could get dangerous?

4 valve race series is a possibility, we looked at thing in 2006/7. Biggest thing is cost control, even if you used Superstock/proddy racing rules and how do you stop cheating to obtain power - all very difficult and would need a lot of protests to keep a lid on it.

If we were to look at a 4 valve series it would require 25 people to commit up front and I suppose we would look at the 749 rather than the 748 to keep it reasonably current.