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[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I hear the maxxis proposal was rejected........... so what rubber are we using ? Pirelli ?

On what basis can you say that the Maxxis proposal has been rejected?

As the RC has not met yet and therefore no decisions have been taken, the above is completely false!

Chris

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

On what basis can you say that the Maxxis proposal has been rejected?

As the RC has not met yet and therefore no decisions have been taken, the above is completely false!

Chris

I ment to say........ missed the boat on the maxxis deal!

Thanks for the update Chris

So what tyres are we using for 2010 ?
I need new tyres for my DD bike ?

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I ment to say........ missed the boat on the maxxis deal!

Thanks for the update Chris

So what tyres are we using for 2010 ?
I need new tyres for my DD bike ?

The Maxxis deal is still on the table and the dialogue continues with them, they obviously would like an established series with a full grid to promote their products. I would estimate that a decision will be made in the next couple of weeks on tyres.

One might think that at the end of a season there wasn't that much to do, it actually is a very busy administration time for those that run race series, to ensure that arrangements are in place for the next year.

Oh well back to a review of the 2010 rules!

[Otei]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

The Maxxis deal is still on the table and the dialogue continues with them, they obviously would like an established series with a full grid to promote their products. I would estimate that a decision will be made in the next couple of weeks on tyres.

Will this be a decision based on the opinions and wishes of the competitors and after proper testing, or will the decision be made for us, Chris?

I ask this, because we usually have a review of rules etc, then have a vote on it. Will this be happening again?

Cheers,

Tim.

[nogaromill998]

Originally Posted by Otei

Will this be a decision based on the opinions and wishes of the competitors and after proper testing, or will the decision be made for us, Chris?

I ask this, because we usually have a review of rules etc, then have a vote on it. Will this be happening again?

Cheers,

Tim.

Tim, I'm glad you brought up testing.....Sam West, myself, Ghost, Imola Duke have all ridden on the Maxxis and recommended positively, and both Andy Shep and you have been offered some to test but I got no response.....

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

The Maxxis deal is still on the table and the dialogue continues with them, they obviously would like an established series with a full grid to promote their products. I would estimate that a decision will be made in the next couple of weeks on tyres.

One might think that at the end of a season there wasn't that much to do, it actually is a very busy administration time for those that run race series, to ensure that arrangements are in place for the next year.

Oh well back to a review of the 2010 rules!

Yes I fully understand it's a busy time for race series organisers.

Thanks for the update on the tyre deal

I can get 160 /120 maxxis tyres fitted for £99 from my local maxxis dealer
with my ACU discount and help they have given me this year in DD.
They normally retail at £129.99.

But there seemed to be a anti maxxis switch looking at other threads in this
Section of the forum.

Maybe Maxxis will go Formula 1 now Bridgestone have pulled the plug ?
Good old Bernie E!

[paynep]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I can get 160 /120 maxxis tyres fitted for £99 from my local maxxis dealer
with my ACU discount and help they have given me this year in DD.
They normally retail at £129.99.

But there seemed to be a anti maxxis switch looking at other threads in this
Section of the forum.

I'm not anti Maxxis, or pro Pirelli but I hope something more scientific than just price is used as a measure for the decision/vote?

If I were fighting for a championship, I'm not sure I'd risk testing a new tyre to the limit, but there again its a long time since I was at the front!

Alternatively an either/or rule is used at the start of the season and performance/results/crashing will soon show the way to go?
How democratic is that?

[rossco572]

thats not a practical solution as we are i assume looking for a sponsorship deal from either or any manufacturer based on a sole use policy?????

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by rossco572

thats not a practical solution as we are i assume looking for a sponsorship deal from either or any manufacturer based on a sole use policy?????

Ultimately the priority must be to have the best, safest, most suitable, appropriate wear characteristics, etc tyre available for the type of use to which the series is going to be put them. It is ulitimately the only piece of contact between the rider and the tarmac (ok except when they fall off!). Any "sponsorship" deal is a secondary consideration, from the point of view that I am sure there are many suppliers of product (not restricting these comments to tyres) who will offer wonderfull deals to push their products, regardless of suitability - that should not be an overriding consideration.

In discussions with various tyre manaufacturers the fact that this is a 50/60bhp series and we run at both ends of the year (read cold) the warming up period is important for safety - the existing Diablo has proven consistantly to be more than up to the job. Again everyone that we have talked to over the years has advised that if we were running over the 90hp mark, we should be allowing wets - for safety- but we are not in that position.

Whilst price does have a bearing, I am sure we could go to Super Corsa, intermediates and wets to get a massive tyre bill for the year, one needs to be realistic. We wouldn't be racing on the cheapest fitment we could find and by the same token dont need to go to the opposite extreme.

The RC has answers to most of the information that it needs and the final bits are expected this week, so a decision is immenant.

[ChrisBushell]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I ment to say........ missed the boat on the maxxis deal!

Thanks for the update Chris

So what tyres are we using for 2010 ?
I need new tyres for my DD bike ?

I perhaps understand what you mean now, having received a couple of e-mails when I opened up the system this morning.

An idea to run two classes with 80 & 110 bhp and little or no other rules and on Maxxis tyres. Just a quick review of what has been forwarded would indicate that to be competitive might require a money pit of expense to keep at the front of the series.

So I might want a 749R - say £6K, followed by proper Ohlins (dont know the model numbers), best Brembo radial brakes, nemisis ECU with a couple of maps on it, full engine strip and prep at JHP, full exhaust system (£2K), and the list goes on. A quick add up on a piece of paper has me north of at least £12K, more like £15K - before you start racing.

We already know that you could dyno that bike at any time you want and it would make no more than 110bhp at the rear wheel. To sucessfully protest you would have to prove use of another map, etc - which is impossible.

As I beleive AK and others have pointed out they appear to be looking at bikes that are at least 8 years old (if one ignores the 749) and that to reach the HP limits you are going to have to do engine work, etc (my carbed 900SS wouldn't make over 70hp at the rear wheel without engine work and a std 748 is about 90bhp at the rear wheel - you aren't going to get 20hp with a chip and exhaust).

There are also existing grids for such bikes within race Clubs, ok maybe not Ducati only, but to find 30 people willing to commit to such an idea and then put their money down could well be a tall order.

Desmo Due has so many rules, so that you cant just spend money, much like the Superstock rules - to keep basic cost of bike preparation down. If we opened them up to just an HP limit as a means of control, the options for spending money would be un-bounded.

Chris