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[Mr C]

Dont know if you watched the thing on TV with Tony Robinson. Climate change has been going on since the start of time. Hot-Cold-Hot-Cold so on and so forth there is nothing we can do about it, its nature and thats that.
But atleast one good thing the greedy Goverments can sting us with "Green Taxes"

P1ss is boiling

[skidlids]

Hasn't global warming been taking place since the last Ice age

I hear you can now circum-navigate the North pole
is that because
A, the sea level has risen
B, The artic is melting
C, Both

[bradders]

who do you belive?!
scientists who are vying for billions in investment...
politicians who want to control and scare the public...
green lot who belive not washing is an acceptable waty of reducing overuse of water...
or sceptics who often belive nothing any governement says

all I know is, the facts presented by Gore were not facts; mainly opinion, and therefore is the whole lot based on lies?!

who knows

[MJS]

Surely, as ever, the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes. Yes, the climate is always changing and nothing that mankind of today can do will change that.

What does appear to be the case is that the rate of climate change is accelerating, and that is more likely as a result of the impact of 20th/21st century industrialisation.

Unfortunately, it's too easy pickings for the government whether it's true or not

Anyway, we're struggling at work, need the oil price to go back up, so can everyone please go out and buy a big V8 and get things moving again please

Martin

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Urban996

What does appear to be the case is that the rate of climate change is accelerating, and that is more likely as a result of the impact of 20th/21st century industrialisation.

And the Deforestation over a even longer period hasn't helped

My view might not be up everyones street but its about time the powerstations that burn oil and coal were replaced with Nuclear power plants.
Looks like they will have to be Fission reactors as JET have spent decades on researching Fusion and made little progress towards producing a sustainable fusion reaction.

[Florence]

I'm confused anyway as "They" said we'd have an Ice age first caused by Global Warming

What will be will be. I can't worry anymore as I've got mega high cholesterol so I'll probably be dead anyway

[TopiToo]

Hello

Personally I am not convinced anybody really knows what the “global warning” band wagon is really about,
and more concerning what the motives behind western governments to presume we as a human race are incapable to understand.

(advert on TV drive 5 miles less) and ultimately as such must be told you must change your ways.

It appears to me living in the western culture, that indeed modern industrialisation has had an impacted on the world we now inhabit;

maybe there are too many people, what about a global war? Oh we are trying to do that sorry . . .

I am however sceptical the frenzied Buzz words will ever have any real impact on changing people attitudes. (Globally)

However a re-session of global impact will, oh! But we are in that too! ? ? So take heed . . .

Call me a sceptic, but I have also lived in the Far East, India, China these countries are now in excess of 400million people
and I can assure you they are only interested in making a buck and don’t give a flying about global warming,
if they even know what it is . . no disrepect ment to these nations.

If my electrical company wants to give be 4 bulbs that will last until I die, I am happy to indulge,
but fitting these bulbs do I feel like I am making any impact on global warming Hell No ...
as my next month’s electric bill will go up . . Go figure . . .

“Use less as it will be costing you more if you don’t “

Global warming sorry I am not on the band wagon as yet. . But I do know who ever gets in at the next paliament
will push this as a genuine concern while taxing us up to the hilt.


Convince me I am wrong I'am all ears. .


TopiToo

[keith888]

The climate is certainly warming. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. C02 is not the only greenhouse gas and many things have historically influenced climate. CO2 has shown a dramatic rise since the industrial revolution. Those are facts. After that, things get messier. as we cannot know how much of the current rate of warming is due to the huge rise in C02. However, increased CO2 will increase the rate of climate warming regardless of the current underlying trend. Scientists have been worried about this since the '70's and even the politicians are now mostly convinced by the evidence.

The climate has certainly shown huge swings in the past. Saying that is not much help as some of those swings were extremely severe. We are performing a big experiment with an uncertain outcome.

Remember the ozone hole? We came pretty close to destroying a highly important protective layer of the planet so saying that nothing we do will influence the planet is somewhat unjustified.

Keith

ps I am a Scientist and have never manipulated data and rarely thrown teddies.

Keith

[bradders]

Originally Posted by keith888

Remember the ozone hole? We came pretty close to destroying a highly important protective layer of the planet so saying that nothing we do will influence the planet is somewhat unjustified.

Keith

ps I am a Scientist and have never manipulated data and rarely thrown teddies.

Keith

did we?? seemed to go away pretty quickly. The main issue for us in Britain is that none of the rest of the world, except maybe sweden and noway, will take any action...but we will and that will cost money, jobs and goodness knwos what!!

[keith888]

Originally Posted by bradders

did we?? seemed to go away pretty quickly. The main issue for us in Britain is that none of the rest of the world, except maybe sweden and noway, will take any action...but we will and that will cost money, jobs and goodness knwos what!!

Your first point merely demonstrates that concerted action (in this case to restrict the use of CFCs) was highly succesful once the problem was identified. Surely you don't deny the evidence linking the destruction of the ozone layer to CFC levels?

Your second point has nothing to do with the central problem but relates to what we do about it. I personally believe that the politics will not come up with any meaningful solution and we will continue on the current track until oil running out/massive price rises means the alternatives to oil become econimically viable.

Keith