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[keith888]

The climate is certainly warming. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. C02 is not the only greenhouse gas and many things have historically influenced climate. CO2 has shown a dramatic rise since the industrial revolution. Those are facts. After that, things get messier. as we cannot know how much of the current rate of warming is due to the huge rise in C02. However, increased CO2 will increase the rate of climate warming regardless of the current underlying trend. Scientists have been worried about this since the '70's and even the politicians are now mostly convinced by the evidence.

The climate has certainly shown huge swings in the past. Saying that is not much help as some of those swings were extremely severe. We are performing a big experiment with an uncertain outcome.

Remember the ozone hole? We came pretty close to destroying a highly important protective layer of the planet so saying that nothing we do will influence the planet is somewhat unjustified.

Keith

ps I am a Scientist and have never manipulated data and rarely thrown teddies.

Keith

[bradders]

Originally Posted by keith888

Remember the ozone hole? We came pretty close to destroying a highly important protective layer of the planet so saying that nothing we do will influence the planet is somewhat unjustified.

Keith

ps I am a Scientist and have never manipulated data and rarely thrown teddies.

Keith

did we?? seemed to go away pretty quickly. The main issue for us in Britain is that none of the rest of the world, except maybe sweden and noway, will take any action...but we will and that will cost money, jobs and goodness knwos what!!

[keith888]

Originally Posted by bradders

did we?? seemed to go away pretty quickly. The main issue for us in Britain is that none of the rest of the world, except maybe sweden and noway, will take any action...but we will and that will cost money, jobs and goodness knwos what!!

Your first point merely demonstrates that concerted action (in this case to restrict the use of CFCs) was highly succesful once the problem was identified. Surely you don't deny the evidence linking the destruction of the ozone layer to CFC levels?

Your second point has nothing to do with the central problem but relates to what we do about it. I personally believe that the politics will not come up with any meaningful solution and we will continue on the current track until oil running out/massive price rises means the alternatives to oil become econimically viable.

Keith

[Tonio600]

Originally Posted by bradders

The main issue for us in Britain is that none of the rest of the world, except maybe sweden and noway, will take any action...but we will and that will cost money, jobs and goodness knwos what!!

What is it with the Brits that they always feel like they're being ripped off by the rest of the world?

Dude, are you refering to that news of funds pledged by European countries? If so, I can read many names of rich nations in there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8407112.stm

And even though Brown says the UK's promise was the highest (in case that's what you were refering to), French medias are talking about a 50-50 repartition of the UK-France joint promise... So, who knows?

[Capo]

Burt Rutan makes a convincing case (and exposes a few 'untruths') and this was before the UEA exposure.

http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm

[bradders]

after a review I read in the telegraph, I've got this for Xmas and started reading it

The real global warming disaster - is the obsession with climate change turning out to be the mostly costly scientific blunder in history? by Christopher Booker

only 1 chapter in but seems a fair balance so far

[Monty]

Originally Posted by Capo

Burt Rutan makes a convincing case (and exposes a few 'untruths') and this was before the UEA exposure.

http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm

I have watched the film and read a lot of the documents-it really does put the lie to a lot of the b0ll0cks we are told as being absolute truths.
I have always thought that there was too much politics involved in the whole 'Climate change' thing.

John

[007]

Originally Posted by Tonio600

What is it with the Brits that they always feel like they're being ripped off by the rest of the world?

Dude, are you refering to that news of funds pledged by European countries? If so, I can read many names of rich nations in there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8407112.stm

And even though Brown says the UK's promise was the highest (in case that's what you were refering to), French medias are talking about a 50-50 repartition of the UK-France joint promise... So, who knows?

I must say I always try to buy green products. Super unleaded from the green pump is a must for my all of my V8 household appliancies. I've also fitted really expensive platinised catalytic converters to my Ducati, emissions are very low indeed and it makes one whole horsepower!

[jerryz]

Global warning is total ****.....the world was much warmer 2000 years ago when the Romans grew vines in UK and also at the time of the Vikings Greenland was covered in crops and trees that why they called it Greenland.

I know many research scientists who do not believe in So called global warming but who.s voices are drowned out ...some openly say that most of the most vocal Pro Global Warming scientists were the same idiots who said in the 1970s that we were on the verge of Global Cooling ...yeah right...and when found out switched to Global warming to protect careers and money and power.and what about David Bellamy who is no longer seen on TV or other Media ...why because he is anti global warming and people respect him for telling the truth so he is sidelined by the PC BBC morons.

This year the summer temps in Thailand were average but so far this and last years winters have been coldest on record actual ice on the ground in the North and peole freezing to death in Issan, unheard off before.

Al Gore has personally made $2bn yes thats Billion from Carbon Trading what a scammer.

You are all being taken for a ride by political pygmies and dubious media types with agendas.....beware.

[keith888]

[quote=jerryz]Global warning is total ****.....the world was much warmer 2000 years ago when the Romans grew vines in UK and also at the time of the Vikings Greenland was covered in crops and trees that why they called it Greenland."

And what happened to those Vikings in Greenland when the climate cooled again? They died off due to climate change!!!!! Surely that proves the converse to what you are saying?

Climate changes have been a factor in killing off (and encouraging) many human civilisations. Before humans, climate change has been responsible for global mass extinctions due to a variety of triggers. Fossil evidence sugests that at least some of these mass extinctions have been due to dramatic and very sudden shifts in global temperature. There are fossil forests in Antartica dating from when it was still over the South pole (~40 million years ago). The majority of climate scientists agree that AVERAGE global temperature is currently rising and if more than a few degrees wil cause pronounced disruption to the global climate. As I understand it, we do not know for absolute certain that the post-industrial CO2 rise is responsible for the current warming period but if it is we are in big trouble if we continue to pump CO2 into the air.

Keith