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[Jolley]

Originally Posted by Chaz

The power to weight would need to set so a standard 696 was the bench mark then you can do what you like to old monsters/ss to make them competitive.

As for suspension the rules should stay the same as they are now or all the present bikes would become illegal.

Agree and agree. My suspension point was similar rules to now to try to limit Ohlins etc upgrades (I'm guessing the 696 was never Ohlins shod).

[Jolley]

So, 150kg and 80bhp?... Would that allow 800 monsters? Would they have more torque?.... Can of worms?

(just checked wiki: 696: 80hp and 51lb/ft. 800: 74hp and 54lb/ft.... So a fairly easy way to keep existing bikes competitive?)

[Chaz]

Originally Posted by Jolley

So, 150kg and 80bhp?... Would that allow 800 monsters? Would they have more torque?.... Can of worms?

(just checked wiki: 696: 80hp and 51lb/ft. 800: 74hp and 54lb/ft.... So a fairly easy way to keep existing bikes competitive?)

I toyed with the idea of building a mini twin 696 & I recon it would make a very light & nimble bike, would make a great DD bike aswell.

I have a X DD class A bike with an 800 motor it makes 79bhp on HM's dyno can't remember the torque but I guess it would be on par with the 696 but it weighs 176kg so a bit more than the 696.

[bradders]

being honest, not sure I'd be any quicker with a 620 anyway, I have to find the limits of a 583 before I can go any quicker. Not even sure I'd go that much quicker with an 848!!

[Simps]

Originally Posted by bradders

Not even sure I'd go that much quicker with an 848!!

Think that's the same for lots of people and also the reason why we can do ok on trackdays with the big bikes.

Generally the average Joe on his 848 will only outgun me on the straight and by that I mean once the rider is upright enough to feel safe to get the power on. Similarly from a far greater top speed the rider puts on the brakes earlier than I and more progressively.

So it's not necessarily that I am a cornering god that I stay with them all session but their corner entry speed is slower, after all that braking progressively through fear of leaving it too late or asking too much of the front and wasking out.
Then they get on the power later as the belief is cranking it open early is a highside in the making.

Simply put they are only quicker on the middle section of any straight. In my opinion being a racer today on bigger bikes 100bhp+ involves a delicate skill and judgement to crank on the throttle early and help the bike deal with the power and at the other end slam on the stoppers hard initially (get the unsettling of the bike/fork out the way while upright) and then let the bite taper off (releasing the fork slightly) to give exactly the right entry speed at exactly the point you are heading in the corner.

On both sides too early late will ask too much of the tyres and suspension and the Marshalls will be picking up the pieces.
I only feel like this on a DD bike in the wet. I noticed at Mallory that I could be pretty ham fisted and the SS and the 53bhp Is not out to assassinate you a la 1098 racer!