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[Otei]

Could I use Troy Bayliss and his wife carrying me on a carbon fibre pallet?

[Cranker V2]

My feelings would be keep it simple. Any thing but 1098's. 848's fine, a bit more umph than a 998 but not a lot. any wheels, any tuning, any brakes any suspension. Me on a 1098r would still get my backside slapped by a someone like Sam Wast, Mr Applepie or the likes on a 996 or even 916. Less rules means less circumnavigation of them. Weight limits and bhp limits stifle one fun for me, the engineering. Look at the radical 9.5 performance bikes this month or the JHP1200rs fast bikes too. One cost a huge amount, one far more simple and achingly beautiful and its a bitsa that a lot of us could turn our hands too. And both would be a hoot on track.......................

Yes, a potential ****ing contest, but a true racing maching class that with ingenuity and RIDING skill could be very well supported. how many bog standard 748,916,996, 998, are there used on track? Less than modified ones I would hazard a guess at. Never mond all the modified SS's out there with 944 lumps, overbores, and load of other sexy things.

Maybe worth looking at a mini series next year with Newera? say three rounds..........Look at how many bikes turned out for the no budget cup, and afair few where ducati's too

[Otei]

All of the above is for Thundersport and they're welcome to it. I'd say personally that it should include the following:

916,996,998,999. Max BHP 135.

Suspension free, wheels free but Ducati standard fitment.

Brakes and discs free but no carbon nonsense.

Thoughts?

And yes neil, very nice...

[Otei]

Also I don't thin that a 135bhp limit would stifle engineeriong, as engineering is often more about the bike than the engine. That being said the 91/2 only had 80bhp as it was based on an st4?...sooo there's plenty of scope for that kind of thing. The reason DD has been around so long is that anyone can compete on relatively equal terms. You already said that certain people are planning to destroy the ethos of the Golden ERA superbikes class by wheeling out their fat wallwts and ex WSb machinery.

[bradders]

why not allow 848's? They make less than 135

[nogaromill998]

I seem to remember such a series being ****ged off by some ppl here..wasnt this what the Maxxis series was designed to provide ? Oh yes....and one person here told others that he would do whatever he could to bury it.....and yet here he is now making suggestions....winker........

[skidlids]

Yep why not water down what we already have so that no clubs would be interested in running DD or if they did they would have us on the grid with other classes.
Trudi and myself received a few phone calls this year from Hottrax as they were concerned about the level of entries.

Now if someone is suggesting a seperate grid for 135 bhp maximum Ducatis you would be needing to find in the region of 25 entrants for all meetings for a club to entertain a seperate grid, otherwise you may as well enter the MaxiTwins and run in with the Motogrande 1000s at Hottrax or enter SoT with the likes of NG where you would be shareing a grid with the likes of 1098/1198s, Triumph 675s RC8s etc.

Last time I was racing SoT at club level the two front runners both had Ex BSB 996RS engines in their bikes, one of which was a complete EX BSB bike, no way could most of us racing Ducatis compete without spending a small fortune, I know of one rider who tried and his spend for the year was £35k.

Even with certain engine rules in place if the guy out front has the latest Ohlins SBK Gas forks with Brembo Monoblock Calipers, HPK discs, Mag Wheels, Mag arms, Mag Wide-track yokes, MF3 or Nemesis type ECUs, new tyres every race etc etc, then others will need to either head down the same route or resign themselves to not being able to compete on level terms.

Something that DD has been trying to achieve by offering a Level playing field at relatively modest costs.

And if in the proposed class you can clear off into the distance on a standard 916 then you really should be racing in a more serious class

[antonye]

Originally Posted by nogaromill998

I seem to remember such a series being ****ged off by some ppl here..wasnt this what the Maxxis series was designed to provide ?

A race series is only as good as the entrants it gets; if you can't get the entrants then the series doesn't work.

Surely nobody could force people not ride in the Maxxis series? Maybe it wasn't anything to do with one person in particular, but maybe something was flawed with the plan from the start? Wrong time? Wrong sponsor? Wrong tracks? Wrong club? Wrong rules? Who knows! DD suffered it's own losses, as did most race series and clubs.

A whole load of "new" people joined the 848 Challenge who were not DD riders, so that tells me there were people out there willing to put their money down for *something* if it's right, but even that was still a big gamble!

This is why I'm loathe to even entertain the idea of starting a new series when grids are already struggling and there's a danger of diluting DD even further. Ducati UK now have 848 so they won't be interested in anything else, DD takes a fair share of Ducati riders, those with the bigger bikes will go to Thunderbikes or the Golden Era series... is there room for *another* series?

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by nogaromill998

I seem to remember such a series being ****ged off by some ppl here..wasnt this what the Maxxis series was designed to provide ? Oh yes....and one person here told others that he would do whatever he could to bury it.....and yet here he is now making suggestions....winker........

And now the 848 series is a huge successs now it's run by ducati uk
He's winding you up nog! ***** he is but thats what he is
But we all know the club has moved on from the past!