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[coppersaucepipe]

Originally Posted by banger san

What you thinking then Kev? To me part of a champion should be that they can ride in all conditions.

If it's like this season, they'll need to anyway (ride in the wet).
If it's like 2013, it'll be a non issue as most races were dry.

[hor5net]

I think:-
3 races in August is too expensive.

we counted 23 races in 2014 because all 26 seemed to much, why are we now expected to count 26?

dropping more races doesn't help because you have to go to them all just in case you have a shocker or get knocked off at a later round and need the points to add to your total.

the only fair way is to make Cadwell 2 not count. Then drop 5 or 6 races from the remaining 29. This way you don't have to go to cadwell if money is tight and it can't effect the championship points.

If turnout for cadwell is low cos it counts but can be dropped, it is a massive advantage for those that live near.

If turnout is low for cadwell cos it doesn't count then Hottrax shouldn't put on 11 rounds.

Is the ethos of DD not affordable racing? the costs have gone way up with 8 rounds then 9 and now 11!

[coppersaucepipe]

There May be 3 races in August but there are non in July.

If you can drop any 7 races, than you can afford to plan to not go to 1 entire meeting and still have plenty of slack for mishaps.

Alternatively, rather than count your best 26 races, why not count your best 8 meetings. I don't see any reason why Cadwell 2 can't be point scoring for those that want to score points there but can't make other rounds.

[banger san]

Originally Posted by hor5net

the only fair way is to make Cadwell 2 not count. Then drop 5 or 6 races from the remaining 29. This way you don't have to go to cadwell if money is tight and it can't effect the championship points.

To me a worthy champion should be fast, consistent and show commitment, if only 23 or 24 races count from a possible 33 to me that doesn't sound enough to fulfil the above. I know the number of rounds have increased but DD don't control that and let's be honest you, Jim, Scott and me did all 9 rounds last year and thoroughly enjoyed it. Being able to drop 7 races will allow me to choose one round to drop and have a couple of mishaps so think it's a good compromise.

[milesaway]

my 2pence worth of thoughts are:
unlimeted dnf's doesnt reward consistent riding and finishes
too few allowed dnf's can penalise bad luck

once it's decided how many race results make up the points for championship best to allow any meeting to be used to make up those results

[skidlids]

In general more choice is a good thing !
so being able to pick 9 from 11 race weekends is probably going to suit more riders than either 11 from 11 or 9 from 9 weekends

We could limit the amount of meetings entered by any rider to 9 of meetings and then only count 23 of their scores, but that would likely reduce grid sizes (could even end up with an empty grid at Mallory) and penalise Hottrax which could then have a negative result on the following season and future entrants

Without a race in July and three in August there will be some that will give at least one of these August meetings a miss, some may give a earlier round a miss with the intention of putting the saved money aside for August and others opt to miss later rounds. Therefore offering quite a few choices.

[banger san]

[quote=skidlids]In general more choice is a good thing !
so being able to pick 9 from 11 race weekends is probably going to suit more riders than either 11 from 11 or 9 from 9 weekends
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Agree with you Kev more choice is generally a good thing. No matter how it pans out there will always be somebody it doesn't suit what we have to think about is what is best for the series and the majority. To me this means supporting Hottrax by competing at every meeting and allowing people the flexibility to do what they want whether that is somebody who wants to compete in all 11 or those who want to pick and choose.

The compromise of all 11 rounds counting with your best 26 results to count does it for me.

Miles does make a good point that we should reward consistency so perhaps a limit of 3 DNFs or was it a pain to administer in 2014?

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by banger san

Miles does make a good point that we should reward consistency so perhaps a limit of 3 DNFs or was it a pain to administer in 2014?

The problem comes when a race is red flagged after someone has DNF'd before the red flag and is therefore not the cause of the stoppage. Then the race is re run from the same starting positions so is effectively a new race and what went before is null and void. With the only exclusion being the rider that caused the stoppage, so although someone may have crashed out or broken down before that and can't get back on the grid they then become a DNS

Now when it comes to these restarts and calling what went before the CofC seems to me to make some odd decisions.
And changing a DNF that couldn't be dropped to a DNS that can be dropped can make quite a difference in a championship chase
This is something I didn't anticipate last season

But on the whole if we go for 26 from 33 and allow the dropping of 7 we could certainly reward consistency through bike prep and using your noodle by only allowing a limited amount of DNFs and as you suggest 3 seems a fair amount