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Old 02-Oct-2004, 01:07
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Help needed in regard to possible ebay con!

Need some help here peeps.
Now I've been selling IT kit on ebay since the end of 2000, with no real major probs until now.
sold an item on ebay tonight for £250 ,sent the normal invoice , checked my mail and have recieved this message from the winning bidder.

Dear Seller,
Thanks for the mail,i am o.k with your price.Inrespect of payment i
have a client in the U.K who is owing me £3,500.All i need to do to make
payment easier and faster is to instruct him to procure a banker's
cheque and mail it to you on the address and name you want on the cheque and
you know it takes 24hrs for a banker's cheque to clear in the U.K.But i
would want to know if i can trust you to send my balance to me via
western union money transfer after the money must have cleared in your bank
to enable me prepay the shipping company here so that they can come
and pick the Storage untranet director from your location.Please mail me
asap to enable me arrange payment.

Furnish me with your Full name,address,postal code and phone number so
my client will send the payment to you.

Thanks.


PS: I am ready yo compenmnsate you with an additional £50 to have the
ad remove from the internet.



Now I look out for most of the scams going on regarding ebay but this seems like a new one to me, any thoughts on wether this is genuine or not.
If it is a scam, this is a new one on me.

Robin
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 01:22
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Robin,

This sounds dodgy to me. I would always mistrust suggestions of "indirect" payment, buyers willing to "add a little extra", and payment through Western Union.

If the guy really is owed £3500, then let him get his money, and pay you direct. You can then wait until you have the money properly cleared before sending the goods.

I wouldn't risk it, and wouldn't be too fussed about a delay. I'd rather get the money.

Good luck

Dave
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 02:21
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This is the standard Scam & can't believe they are still trying it on.

The Cheque you will receive will be dodgey & will probably clear but this dosn't mean you will get the money.

The Western union transfer to him will be untracable.

He is not interested in the goods at all, just the cash he will make.

Report the buyer to ebay.



[Edited on 2-10-2004 by 748mart]
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 04:57
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Cashiering a Check Scam

Even an official-looking bank draft can be phony

October 5, 2003

Consumers across the country are being bilked in a scam that often finds victims through the Internet and then counts on their trust in cashier's checks.

Cashier's checks can be counterfeit, and banks that accept them from customers don't consider themselves liable. By one bank's account, the value of the counterfeits amounts to millions of dollars. Frank Fiorino, 64, of Westbury fell victim to the scam in May, and he's out $3,700.
In recent interviews, Fiorino recalled that on May 20, he received by Federal Express what seemed a valid cashier's check. It bore the name of First National Bank of Polk County, based in Haines City, Fla., and was part of a deal to sell a 1977 Cadillac Eldorado Fiorino had advertised for sale on Web sites for classic cars.

On May 21, he deposited the check at Fleet's Central Islip branch and was told he would have access to the funds the next day. On May 22, Fiorino said, he made a withdrawal after Fleet told him the money was available to him.

A week later, he learned that Fleet had received notice from the Florida bank that the cashier's check was counterfeit, and so Fleet told Fiorino he had to cover his withdrawal or be dunned. At first, Fleet threatened to take the money from another account he held with his father, he said. Still, concerned about his credit rating, he made the deposit even though he says the bank should have borne the loss. "I presumed that since the funds were not being made immediately available," he said, "the bank was checking its validity."

"One of the reasons we find these scams to be so successful is that crooks know that consumers trust cashier's checks," said Donna Gambrell, deputy director for compliance and consumer protection for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Most checks are legitimate, she said, but "people have figured out how to subvert the process." Her agency warned banks about the scam in March and urged them to review their internal controls.
Bob Emmons, chief of the criminal frauds bureau in the Nassau County district attorney's office, added, "The average person would think a cashier's check would be safe, not realizing that they are ultimately responsible for the money if it turns out later to be counterfeit."

Chris Wiseman, an officer for First National in Florida, said hundreds of counterfeit cashier's checks with an estimated value in the millions of dollars have been sent as if issued by his bank. He said he has heard of other banks that have had to return cashier's checks as counterfeit, too.
As to who bears the loss, Jim Schepker, a spokesman for Fleet, said, "All banks make very clear in their agreement [with their customers] that having funds available does not mean that they have funds collected." Next-day availability of funds for cashier's checks deposited in a bank account generally is mandated by federal law, said Susan Stawick, spokeswoman for the Federal Reserve Board.

Schepker said that a day's wait allows his bank to record the transaction, but "If the deposit does not clear, we have the right to charge back the account for any credit we have given."

Consumers need to be wary, Schepker said. The cashier's check sent Fiorino was for $7,900 even though the payment due for the car was less - $4,200. A person identifying himself in e-mails as a buyer's representative told Fiorino to send the difference by Western Union to "Mr. Kenedy Egwuasi" in London.

The first steps in the swindle helped set up Fiorino. For one thing, the buyer's representative asked him to send pictures of the car before making an offer as if the buyer cared about the vehicle's condition. Only when an e-mail told Fiorino the buyer had suffered a stroke and wanted the rest of the money returned did Fiorino call law enforcement agencies.

Det. Sgt. James Tilton, deputy commanding officer for Nassau County's Crimes against Property Squad, said the fraud has all the markings of what are known as Nigerian scams, a name given because some trace back to that country.

Tilton said the scam's apparent overseas roots complicate enforcement efforts. So, he urged consumers to beware: "If you ask for $20,000 and somebody offers to give you 30, you better make sure you have the 20 before you give back the 10."

Fiorino still thinks banks that accept cashier's checks could do more to determine if they are valid. "The scam cannot work without their unwitting complicity," he complained. "They can stop it, and they don't."
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 08:52
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Definite scam. Forward it to ebay.
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 09:31
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IMO - Avoid anything that uses Western Union - this is a scam

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Old 02-Oct-2004, 10:15
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Standard scam-why else would he want you to do his banking for him-of course you could always accept it, then wait say 2-3 weeks to make sure the funds are available(or more likely not) before you send the remainder to him. That should screw him up-goes to all the trouble of sending you e-mails and a countefeit cheque-and then you don't send him the balance with a REAL cheque-how annoying.

John
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 10:54
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Scamity scam scam scam!

Report him to ebay!
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 19:22
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thanks for the reply guys, I have told this ******** where to go, and informed ebay.
I doubt that it will stop future probs though.

cheers all
Robin
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Old 02-Oct-2004, 19:33
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Robin,

Don't forget to offer the next nearest bidder a 'Second Chance' so you still get your sale without having to relist and incur extra listing charges.

Gc
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