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[domski]

Originally posted by antonye

But didn't you post timesheets showing that you were quicker than Toseland (World Superbike Champion) and yet you've ... not ... won ... much ...

Not sure I see your point?

[CK]

Originally posted by antonye

But didn't you post timesheets showing that you were quicker than Toseland (World Superbike Champion) and yet you've ... not ... won ... much ...

quote of the day!

well done Mr E!

[couchcommando]

Originally posted by TP

Ring Andy and find out! You might be surprised at the answer you get.

Hmmm you're doing a sterling job here TP I have loads of questions as I do want to improve but am always wary of spending my money
I bet answering all these wasn't in the job description :P

[domski]

Originally posted by CK

quote of the day!

well done Mr E!

How is that quote of the day?

It doesn't even make sense or have anything to do with Andy Ibbot making Luthi fast.

[antonye]

Originally posted by domski
Not sure I see your point?

You're saying that Luthi was always fast, CSS didn't help.

You posted charts showing you were quicker than Toseland.

Toseland went on to be World Superbike Champion.

You're just a fat bum with a bad haircut.

Does that help? :P

[Murray Mint]

Leave his hair out of it.

[couchcommando]

No getting off track here, some good reading in here

What I would like to know is how some training would let me brake later, corner faster and open the throttle earlier.
At the moment it is my limits that are stopping me doing this not the bikes.

[domski]

Originally posted by antonye

You're saying that Luthi was always fast, CSS didn't help.

You posted charts showing you were quicker than Toseland.

Toseland went on to be World Superbike Champion.

You're just a fat bum with a bad haircut.

Does that help? :P

I didn't say CSS didn't help. I said that CSS wasn't responsible for Luthi being so fast.

I was faster than Toseland - that is a fact, as proven.

The two subjects have nothing in common though Ant.

[TP]

Originally posted by domski
But Luthi was already a GP podium finisher.

So why wasn't he winning and why was he crashing so much?

Everyone associated with CSS make out like he was some club racer and Andy Ibbot turned him in to a GP Champion.

You're being misleading.

Not true, Luthi went from finishing 25th and crashing a lot, to winning the championship and achieving a consistency he never had before. He certainly had the potential but who do you think helped him identify the reasons he was crashing so much and helped him iron that out?

Hrmmm???

How many true (normal people) CSS customers has Andy taken from club racing to GP's?

Don't know mate, you'll have to ask him.

Not doubting Andy one bit - just trying to bring a bit of reality to this thread. CSS did NOT turn a 25th placed rider into a World Champion.

Obviously Luthi already had a shedload of talent, no one is disputing that. But the facts are that the season before Andy started coaching him he crashed a lot and finished 25th in the standings. The next year, with Andy coaching, he stops crashing anywhere near as much as he used to and wins the championship. That is fact, how you interpret the change is up to you.

I'd quite like to have that on my coaching CV.

I don't suppose the fact he was on a factory Honda, been in GP's 4 years, was bloody silly fast anyway AND the fact Kalio couldn't help but fall off - had nothing to do with it?

Clearly he had talent - otherwise his team wouldn't have invested the money in his riding getting Andy to coach Thomas 1:1.

But as I said above, how do you explain his newfound consistency and from going from 25th in the championship to winning it the next year? You honestly don't think that Andy had anything to do with that? Fair enough I suppose ...

[TP]

Originally posted by couchcommando
No getting off track here, some good reading in here

What I would like to know is how some training would let me brake later, corner faster and open the throttle earlier.
At the moment it is my limits that are stopping me doing this not the bikes.

I'll give you a ring later tonight and we can have a chat about it if you like.

I'm off to apply some 'Prince 2' theory Stakeholder comms meeting!