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Old 20-Jun-2006, 10:12
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The point is Nick, whilst humans are carnivores, and rightly so, we are also too stupid at times to realise that we don't have to kill everything to eat. And yes, that includes people who make obtuse comments like yours above.
You don't have to disagree with whaling to see the basic pointlessness of killing them in huge numbers for 'food'.
As a race, we now grow our own food (the only reason why there are any cows left) and for the most part the hunting and killing of huge numbers of wild prey is entirely unnecessary.
If anyone disagrees with my comment, just have a look into the history of Easter Island.
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 10:21
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I still don't appreciate why it's ok to eat a cow but not a whale.
If we need Xkg of meat then why does it matter where it comes from?

What happend on Easter Island then?
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 10:40
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I still don't appreciate why it's ok to eat a cow but not a whale.
If we need Xkg of meat then why does it matter where it comes from?

What happend on Easter Island then?


I really hope this is not a serious comment?

Spend some time researching and clarifying your stance on this one please Nick.
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 10:45
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I really hope this is not a serious comment?

Spend some time researching and clarifying your stance on this one please Nick.

Quite serious - i don't know anything about easter island.
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 11:09
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Taken from:

http://www.primitivism.com/easter-island.htm

The history of Easter Island is not one of lost civilisations and esoteric knowledge. Rather it is a striking example of the dependence of human societies on their environment and of the consequences of irreversibly damaging that environment. It is the story of a people who, starting from an extremely limited resource base, constructed one of the most advanced societies in the world for the technology they had available. However, the demands placed on the environment of the island by this development were immense. When it could no longer withstand the pressure, the society that had been painfully built up over the previous thousand years fell with it.

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The Easter Islanders, aware that they were almost completely isolated from the rest of the world, must surely have realised that their very existence depended on the limited resources of a small island. After all it was small enough for them to walk round the entire island in a day or so and see for themselves what was happening to the forests. Yet they were unable to devise a system that allowed them to find the right balance with their environment. Instead vital resources were steadily consumed until finally none were left. Indeed, at the very time when the limitations of the island must have become starkly apparent the competition between the clans for the available timber seems to have intensified as more and more statues were carved and moved across the island in an attempt to secure prestige and status. The fact that so many were left unfinished or stranded near the quarry suggests that no account was taken of how few trees were left on the island.

The fate of Easter Island has wider implications too. Like Easter Island the earth has only limited resources to support human society and all its demands. Like the islanders, the human population of the earth has no practical means of escape. How has the environment of the world shaped human history and how have people shaped and altered the world in which they live? Have other societies fallen into the same trap as the islanders? For the last two million years humans have succeeded in obtaining more food and extracting more resources on which to sustain increasing numbers of people and increasingly complex and technologically advanced societies. But have they been any more successful than the islanders in finding a way of life that does not fatally deplete the resources that are available to them and irreversibly damage their life support system?

Google it for more info.
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 11:51
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Cheers chris, never heard that... although it seems like something that should've been taught at school!

I appreciate what the text is about and can easily relate it to what we're all doing to the world. We strive to live as well as we can work out how, but have too little view on the long term.

Whilst that talks of the evolution of society being self-destructive, and I agree almost entirely that it is, it still don't change my stance on the food chain! The food chain I believe would be naturally self sufficient if it weren't for the likes of sport, entertainment or so-called research - things we do to improve our lifestyle like they did on Easter Island.

To say we can't kill a certain species to sustain our own survival is just not right - And I'm talking about survival, not improving lifestyle. In my view, a whale has just the same right to life as a chicken, no matter why the chicken was born.
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Old 20-Jun-2006, 12:20
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I don't disagree with what you're saying in essence Nick about chickens and whales. It would make me a hypocrite if I did!
The important word in your post though is 'survive'. Humankind does not need whale meat to survive, there are plenty of chickens for that! Whales are killed for the same reasons as sharks and tigers in asia, that is what I disagree with. They are not required as an essential food source, and cannot effectively be farmed, therefore they are going to be fished out of existence. How can that be right?
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The whole of the food production industry is profit driven, regardless of food type. Those self same manufacturers on the whole couldn't give a f£$% about what they sell to the consumer, if they could get away with it.
The whaling industry, ditto the fishing industry, is in it for the fast buck. If all the stocks ran out tomorrow as long as they mad enough money today they'd be happy. It's all part of the human character, it's this facet that needs to change. We are all guilty of greed to an extent, and as revolting as it is to see a creature such as a whale slaughtered, it's not for fun, it's for money and the current consumer world is, as said, profit driven.
For this we all share a part of the blame. If it wasn't whales it would be some kid in a sweatshop in the third world.
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