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[749er]

Originally Posted by weeksy2

I'm baffled.... MAv... it's one thing to do this... but another altogether to tell a message board full of coppers you've given some teenager a good beating...

Confused.

methinks that Mav might have just woken up with a Sue Ellen wig on to find Bobby Ewing is still alive and that the fracas did not really happen :-)

[madmav]

Originally Posted by 749er

methinks that Mav might have just woken up with a Sue Ellen wig on to find Bobby Ewing is still alive and that the fracas did not really happen :-)

Me thinks, that fact or fiction , and those who know me know!!
It's simple, did i whale the **** out of the thugs?
were they asked very nicely to move along YES
Were the police called by a neigbour YES
Did the police respond NO
was i supposed to say "nevermind" then lads you carry on being very disrespectfull NO

are the police going to read this then send Mi6 to my house NO
Can you get done for murder if there is no Body found??????????????

Steve I put it up on the board to see what people realy think!
and I'm now satisfied I did the right thing!

OH and who said they were teenagers

[749er]

Originally Posted by madmav

Me thinks, that fact or fiction , and those who know me know!!
It's simple, did i whale the **** out of the thugs?
were they asked very nicely to move along YES
Were the police called by a neigbour YES
Did the police respond NO
was i supposed to say "nevermind" then lads you carry on being very disrespectfull NO

are the police going to read this then send Mi6 to my house NO
Can you get done for murder if there is no Body found??????????????

Steve I put it up on the board to see what people realy think!
and I'm now satisfied I did the right thing!

OH and who said they were teenagers

Just don't want to see you in trouble mate, thats all!

[TORTUGA]

I am not saying its ok to use force or bad language in any situationas its not, I live near a rough part of Bristol and young children just out of nappies turn the air blue as they pass my house which is a real shame, they grow up not knowing when it is right to swear or not and are heard using foul language in normal conversation. As for using force You have to be there to decide that and whether its the right decision afterwards will vary on the outcome. No one should be criticised for walking away as like I said you have to be there to decide that. Like the Old Buzzard I have witnessed bad behaviour and spoken out, like the time I was at Weston Super Mud beach race, the security guards turned the air blue at some people for some petty thing in front of families with children. It was a family atmosphere and not the time and place to threaten people with alsorts and language. I spoke to them and asked them to tone it down and was then told to keep my nose out or leave!
I have never been involved in a punch up because I refuse to get drawn into all that stuff, I always walk away as thats not me, however on the times I have had to use force I have done so using restraint moves that I use at work as I dont need to start punching people to hurt them. Sometimes I cant just look the other way as I believe I am doing what is right.
A couple of years ago I was camping in Cornwall with my wife. I was woken by a couple in the lane near the site having an argument. The argument became very nasty and it was obvious he was hitting her and moving on to rape her. I was out of the tent and into the lane like a flash. I wont go into details but it wasn't pretty. I pulled him off and his reaction was "Its my wife and I will do as I please" before taking some swings at me, I used my training and restrained him until the Police came. No one else on the site came out to help and at first I was angry however after I just thought maybe people were to scared to get involved as it was a nasty incident.
There was some swearing used there and it was appropriate I think.

[Stu748R]

The government approve of this kind of "self defence" just ask John Prescott !!!!!!!!!!!

And he was only attacked with a "killer"egg.

Dont get mad,just get even.

[badmanners]

IMHO

fil2: your attitude is exactly the reason why people turn their back when faced with an issue as seen above and as we are now experiencing is why the "youth of today" have no "respect".
Who are they to respect?
The Politically Correct brigade?
Or the "old school" short sharp shock?

Mav: Whilst I cannot condone your actions, I do sympathise with them and only wish more people had the moral fibre that you obviously have. I would add though that I wouldnt have followed them into the park but perhaps have dealt with them if they had stayed a problem in the street.

But thats just my opinion.
In my work I deal with "the youth of today" and see to them in which ever way they appear to need, some need direction, some need a mother and some just need a kick up the jacksy!

[TP]

This is an interesting thread, to be honest this is one of those moral issues that I really struggle with. So before I share a recent experience I’d like to say that I don’t know the answer, it’s a very complex issue with repercussions no matter which choice you make. As far as I can see you just have to prioritise those repercussions as best you can, usually in a split second or two, and act accordingly. Some people will always think you did the wrong thing, some people will always think you did the right thing – no matter which course of action you chose.

So, my ‘recent’ experience was actually about two years ago. I’d just come back from a night out for a mate’s farewell and I was in search of a dodgy kebab or something, as you do. I’m wearing a suit, with an expensive laptop in the backpack I was wearing, walking down the Twickenham high street chatting away on my mobile phone. There are a number of flats above the shops on the high street and there was a party going on in one of them. As I walked past I felt something brush through my hair and quickly looking around I saw something rather solid bouncing off the road. These two’partygoers’ had thrown something at me. Still talking on the phone I settled for the ‘Headmaster Finger Wave’ (index finger, not middle ... in a true teacher style, it kept me amused anyway ...) and kept going on.

About three shops up there was a pizza shop that was open so I decided on getting myself a nice little ham and pineapple number. I was waiting outside the shop to finish my conversation on the phone before ordering when all I hear is “You got a f(*%^( problem mate”. I turn around and these two legends decided to come down and ‘sort me out’ for being a ‘smartarse’. Great. They had my back to the glass shop front and were blocking my path to walk away. They were quite aggressive and started to really close my personal space – it was obvious what was going on. So I decided to take the initiative to try and put the odds back in my favour – so I went in as hard and fast as I could. A: It’s the only language these knobs understand sometimes and B: I was ******ed if I was going to stand around and wait to find out one of these idiots had a knife or something. I may as well have turned my back, lifted my shirt and pointed out where they could slot a knife between my ribs. Yes that is extreme, but hopefully it makes my point about passive acceptance.

I am a father of four children and could have gone to jail for assault, apparently purely because I threw the first punch. If this had of happened it would have risked having my VISA revoked and my family deported (cue the colonial jokes …) – which would have a dramatic effect on a lot of people. At the time I prioritised my own health and safety over the needs of my family. You could argue that my health and safety is paramount to the family unit … there’s valid arguments on both sides which is what makes it such a complex issue – in my view.

I still don’t know what the right thing to do is; I only know what I would do again under the same circumstances. I fully understand that not everyone is in a position to do that – I’m not judging anyone. I was a soldier in the Aus ARMY for 7 years and did an unarmed combat course. It was that training that made me take the initiative, otherwise I probably would have gotten a good kicking.

Anyway, I hope someone takes something from this. I actually wrote this yesterday and the message board disappeared when I hit Post Reply so I’ve typed it again!