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[skidlids]

Originally Posted by ChrisBushell

Having now finished for this season, our thoughts need to turn to the 2010 season and in particular the current rules and any changes that might be warrented.

Kevin and I have started on a review already and identified a small number of clarification issues that need to be addressed.

However, as in past years it is important that we hear from any registered rider (this year or next) as to any suggestions that they may have regarding the current rules or changes that they would like to see for 2010.

If you have any suggestions then please send them via e-mail to desmodue@ducatisportingclub.com by the 31st of October.

Please be advised that we will only take into account items forwarded via this method, we are not going to trawl through posts on the Forum, to see if we miss anything.

As all serious suggestions should be submitted as layed out in accordance with the Desmo Due rules and that being the basis for this topic as noted in the very first post, then any suugestion made under this post aren't considered as offical and leave themselves open to attracting banter.

So far emails have been received that have included among others

Removal of the wording to do with ignition timing to allow it to be altered
Allowing Crank Balancing
A combined minimum weight for Bike and rider
Use of Carburetors on Class A bikes
Change to Maxxis tyres
Blue Printing of engines
Change wording to cleary ban any use of devices that change ignition timing
Don't go to Maxxis, if not Pirellis then look at Bridgestones
Use of Wets
Use of Warmers
Switch to Dunlop Alpha 10s
Open up rules on sub frame mods futher to allow for crash repairs
Do away with the control tyre and allow a tyre free for all where everyone can use what they want

In some cases there is only one suggestion with others there are two, three or four

[rossco572]

i take the hint about about being too serious and have already submitted my email suggestions.

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Removal of the wording to do with ignition timing to allow it to be altered
Change wording to cleary ban any use of devices that change ignition timing

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated.

[badgerpilot]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated.

You're confused! Hawkin's A Brief History Of Time was easier to understand.

[Imola Duke]

It would be easier to remove all the rules on engine and ignition regs and
enforce the BHP limit

I have just set the static timing on mine as the factory setting was a mile out
(retarded) and have now set it slightly advanced. Is this OK under current rules ?
Once it's back together i will check it with a light.

I do feel the rule book is confusing in place's and it would be easier to
enforce the bhp limit.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

enforce the BHP limit

I do feel the rule book is confusing in place's and it would be easier to
enforce the bhp limit.

Nigh on impossible to enforce a BHP limit unless a Dyno turns up at the track and then ideally at several meetings.

And if you allow modifications then its not just Horse Power but Torque as well that will need checking as those that can afford tuning will get it done if its going to give them an advantage within the rules, then its nolonger a even playing field, not unless everyone else follows suit which all costs money and pushes up the costs.

[Imola Duke]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Nigh on impossible to enforce a BHP limit unless a Dyno turns up at the track and then ideally at several meetings.

And if you allow modifications then its not just Horse Power but Torque as well that will need checking as those that can afford tuning will get it done if its going to give them an advantage within the rules, then its nolonger a even playing field, not unless everyone else follows suit which all costs money and pushes up the costs.

I See your point Kev

I never saw a dyno this year but spotted a few in 2008
at new era meets.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Imola Duke

I See your point Kev

I never saw a dyno this year but spotted a few in 2008
at new era meets.

Down to New Era loosing so much money last year it was part of their cut backs this year, one did turn up at Donington and I paid £25 to put my bike on it to find I had a whopping 57bhp

But they turned up on the day to try and earn a bit of extra cash and none of the New Era oficials new about it so nothing could be arranged, which is a real pity with the amount of time we were sat around for

I really hoped we would get one at Castle Combe as there was one there when we raced there in 2007 as I paid for a couple of runs that day with my laptop connected to my power commander

Originally Posted by Ghost

Good news on the crank balancing aspect. But knife edging will be outlawed, but impossible to prove without having a barrell off at the very least.

Mine isn't knife edged by the way.

Yep polishing and lightening still not allowed and not really in the spirit of DD and the ACU protest procedure is there to be used if anyone thinks a bike is in breach of the rules such as knife edging

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Confused here, I can move my pickup cradle along its slots to give me 10°+ the ignition ignitor boxes will therefore give that 3 to 4° extra advance. These are devices and change the ignition.

If one is using silly advance figures on std fuel we will be seeing a lot of holed pistons and a lot of tinkling noises on the straights.

Or we could just make things a lot more complicated.

Just pointing out there are suggestions being emailed in to relax a rule and another suggestion to tighten up the same rule.
Different riders have differing views

As has been said you can't please everyone

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by skidlids

Just pointing out there are suggestions being emailed in to relax a rule and another suggestion to tighten up the same rule.
Different riders have differing views

As has been said you can't please everyone

I sort of see what you mean Kev, but if I wish to set my ign timing static any where between min and max as much as the cradle will allow, I'm not breaking any rules.

For this rule to be valid you would have to state that every engine is set static at 7° which you and I know, is a nonsense and unprovable.

We need to open things up so riders with inavative ideas can try them as a tutor once told me:- "Always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got". FFS