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[antonye]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Well How do I boil my kettle if a friggin generator is banned.

Plenty of Hot Air in the paddock, so boiling a kettle shouldn't be a problem

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by antonye

Plenty of Hot Air in the paddock, so boiling a kettle shouldn't be a problem

Mmmm I'm sure its a typo, you can't ban folk from having a genny!! .................Can you???

[Otei]

Well firstly, thanks Kev for taking the time to do this test.

Thanks also for being willing to push hard enough to crash in the name of finding the limits of the tyres in the conditions.

I think that inadvertantly, with Ady having been there on Rosso's as well, we've kind of covered all bases with the test as he seems to have a decent enough pace to test them at that end of the spectrum. Kev has added a good scientific aspect to it, what with taking temperatures and trying to keep parameters as balanced as is possible in this situation.

I feel that the best job has been done given the constraints, and that we have a reasonable outcome.

Cheers chaps

[antonye]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Mmmm I'm sure its a typo, you can't ban folk from having a genny!! .................Can you???

If you honestly think that this was the intention, then you're beyond help

The point CB is trying to make is that *if* the series allowed tyre warmers then it would be fine if you were in a garage, otherwise you would need a genny to power them. You'd probably need one anyway at places where there was no electrical hook-up in the paddock, such as Mallory, Cadwell, Castle Coombe, etc.

Having to go out and buy tyre warmers and a genny (remember you need quire a powerful one to run the tyre warmers) would be touching £1,000 ... that's the same as some people paid for their bikes!

So the point was that tyre warmers (and thus the generator you need to run them) are banned from use in DD.

[skidlids]

Originally Posted by antonye

Having to go out and buy tyre warmers and a genny (remember you need quire a powerful one to run the tyre warmers) would be touching £1,000 ...

Not where I go shopping
Pair of warmers £175 to £225
2.2kW Genny £350 ish
That's what I use to have for SoT, lifting the Genny in and out of the van by myself wasn't easy, I certainly wouldn't want to go any bigger

And its not uncommon to have a fault with the tyre warmers every now and then, so I use to have a spare set with me just in case

So much less hassle when you can't use them, but in some cases with many tyres you do need them, such as the BT003s in my opinion

[Lily]

blimey Antonye, you are a flash bugger ain't ya!

generator can be had for under 200 quid with a bit of shopping about. tyre warmers for 150 or less if second hand like most buy

glad the tyre issue is finally sorted though

[antonye]

Originally Posted by Lily

blimey Antonye, you are a flash bugger ain't ya!

generator can be had for under 200 quid with a bit of shopping about. tyre warmers for 150 or less if second hand like most buy

Sorry, but I was trying to be realistic as not everyone will find second-hand bargains and may not get the cheapest price either.

The point I was making was that:

1) you obviously can't "ban" generators from the track, it was just a misunderstanding due to their association with tyre warmers

2) spending out on tyre warmers and generators goes against the original concept of the DD series - ie, a BUDGET series - especially when you could end up spending just as much on tyre warmers and generator as some people paid for the bike to race on

I know it wasn't obvious that if you want/need tyre warmers then you'd also have to buy a generator, but it shows that just because you think something is going to cost you X, it doesn't necessarily mean that's how it ends up! Tyre warmers are cheap these days, but not everyone will buy cheap and not everyone buys just one either; some people/teams are running more than one bike!

The same goes for tuning options - just because it's "optional" doesn't mean that people won't spend out (and spend a lot!) on doing it, because it's in the rules. A good example was the issue with forks and cartridge kits from a while back; some people spent a *lot* of money having these fitted (and again, probably more than others paid for their bikes!) because they could afford to do it. Not everyone did, but because the interpretation of the rules was that you could - someone did.

This is why it's a great idea to not allow tuning in the DD series, as it's just too much of an opportunity for people to spend a lot of money getting the best out of their engine, and after all DD is an entry-level, budget race series and not World Superbikes!

[Lily]

Originally Posted by antonye

Sorry, but I was trying to be realistic as not everyone will find second-hand bargains and may not get the cheapest price either.

The point I was making was that:

1) you obviously can't "ban" generators from the track, it was just a misunderstanding due to their association with tyre warmers

2) spending out on tyre warmers and generators goes against the original concept of the DD series - ie, a BUDGET series - especially when you could end up spending just as much on tyre warmers and generator as some people paid for the bike to race on

I know it wasn't obvious that if you want/need tyre warmers then you'd also have to buy a generator, but it shows that just because you think something is going to cost you X, it doesn't necessarily mean that's how it ends up! Tyre warmers are cheap these days, but not everyone will buy cheap and not everyone buys just one either; some people/teams are running more than one bike!

The same goes for tuning options - just because it's "optional" doesn't mean that people won't spend out (and spend a lot!) on doing it, because it's in the rules. A good example was the issue with forks and cartridge kits from a while back; some people spent a *lot* of money having these fitted (and again, probably more than others paid for their bikes!) because they could afford to do it. Not everyone did, but because the interpretation of the rules was that you could - someone did.

This is why it's a great idea to not allow tuning in the DD series, as it's just too much of an opportunity for people to spend a lot of money getting the best out of their engine, and after all DD is an entry-level, budget race series and not World Superbikes!

I was only having a laugh and trying to say it's not always that expensive. I will get back in my hole again

[kenoir]

Originally Posted by Lily

blimey Antonye, you are a flash bugger ain't ya!

generator can be had for under 200 quid with a bit of shopping about. tyre warmers for 150 or less if second hand like most buy

glad the tyre issue is finally sorted though

Hey up Mrs! Where've you been hiding?

Are you going to do DD next year?

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